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Ark_Razor 6 pts

Great article Sharp, much like the Auburn expose. I linked it on t-s-b-n.com and commented on the CBS Sports thread.

Sharp "Tusk" Williams 5 pts moderator

Ark_Razor It is always an honor for you to drop by Hog Databse.... and the props are much appreciated. http://www.t-s-b-n.com/by/8F702DE9-670D-49C4-94A1-06BE3C7F8939/blog.htm

dmurphys 5 pts

Although your retort was well thought out, in one major area it lacked the same level of "investigation" that you accuse DD. DD is far from a homer. Very few Missouri fans like him because he is very critical and generally off-base. He writes about the university as if he has something against the sports program. He is quick to criticize when things are going well, and even quicker to give "back-handed" complements when things are going well. It is obvious you are an intelligent writer, so If you took the time to look up his articles outside of this one in particular I'm sure you would have changed your conclusion that he was hoping to help the program. But who wants to take the time to be diligent?

Sharp "Tusk" Williams 5 pts moderator

dmurphys Thanks for reading. You've completely understood the point.

Root66 5 pts

Speaking of overwriting...Wiz, your War and Peace epics on Hogville are, to quote a certain Hogvillian, "way, way, way over-written". Sharp, that article was much more professional than that Missouri gimp, Dennis Dodd's half-ass version that attempted to de-rail what most "experts" consider a lock for the Razorbacks.

Great article Sharp Tusk and I, for one, felt the impact and the credibility was all there.

WizarfofhOgZ 6 pts

Root66 If you feel that way, why don't you tell me in a response on Hogville, Root? Oh, that's right - you can't . . . you've been banned (again).

Apparently, you don't know (or, more likely, your ignoring to fit your agenda) the difference between a lengthy post and something that's overwritten. A post can be 3 sentences long, yet the author can be guilty of the latter. I don't need anyone to tell me that some of my posts are very long - yet I'd challenge your claim of their being overwritten. Meanwhile, there's no denying that on Hogville - a forum with thousands of contributors - you are unchallenged as the most bitter of the group (when you're allowed to post).

I agree with the gist of Sharp's post,but that in and of itself doesn't make it well written or "more professional" than the article it criticizes. It's kind of like a box of cereal that's got too many toys in it; it may be good cereal, but you end up focusing on whether or not you liked the non-cereal items in the box more than the cereal itself. It's a distracting style.

I understand why a younger writer would be drawn into attempting to write in this style, with all of the over the top Chris Berman, Jim Rome types in today's media who make it more about their "catch phrases" than the actual content. But a focus on what you're trying to tell us instead of how is much more effective. You do the writer a disservice if you tell him otherwise just so you can get a shot in on me, Root. But then, that's YOUR style, isn't it?

Root66 5 pts

WizarfofhOgZ

I think with this reply ^^^ I will rest my case.

No I'm not "banned" again Wiz. Out there among the politics of the moderators, admins and the OWNER (a TEXAS LONGHORN fan by the way who also happens to be a media whore) which carried over to the other forums, the usual influx of juvenile posters who can't find the location of their own asses and your W&P posts, I simply resigned. I had enough. Finished with Hogville. Done. Over. Never again.Terminated. Ended. History.

Sharp wrote a terrific article up there, Wiz. And the kettle (you) called the pot black. Get over it. Sharp Tusk is the BEST disseminator of Razorback information around, now that Orville is no longer with us.

Sharp "Tusk" Williams 5 pts moderator

WizarfofhOgZRoot66 Before I started writing more locally, I wrote on Sportingnews.com in a community where writing was a sport. I appreciate your comments, but I assure you that I'm capable of writing in plenty of styles. Sometimes the style has a deliberate purpose. On others it's a reflection of just what I'm thinking or feeling about the subject.

When the members at Sportingnews.com gave me the nod for best blog entry of the year in 2009, I did it writing in the style of one of the more revered writers there. He's frank in saying that his entry was nominated and lost to mine in his style. I don't cite it frequently because it had a number of hyperlinks to the writer's posts and was for an audience who knew his writing. Much of it's lost on other audiences. Nonetheless, it's here <a href="http://www.yougabsports.com/pt/bigtoke-Crossover-And-I-Wailed-with-Bon-Scott/blog.htm>bigtoke Crossover: ...And I Wailed with Bon Scott</a> Ark_Razor who's comments are above, and who won the 2008 award, knew a tremendous amount about the author I was mimicking and his first comment to the post asked if it was a biographical piece. It was totally fictional. One of the two main groups remaining from TSN bloggers is found above where Ark_Razor's comments are. The other is at YouGabSports.com. I consider many of them to have much more talent than I have.

Any post draws readers off its title, and this title was over-the-top. People are free to comment on what they like or don't like about the post (I can learn from anyone), but I think you're suggesting that the post should have gone where I didn't want it to go. This was not about whether I could better investigate or lay out facts in prose better than Dodd. I think people are receptive to this because they get way too much of "laying out facts in prose," and I'm guilty of it. What I've tried to do is not focus on the facts, but focus on the thought process, the style, and the underlying motivations.

Factually, this is a boring story. Petrino and DGB bumped into one another. It happened on a recruiting day or not. The "Petrino Understood" trilogy http://www.hogdb.com/tags/bobby-petrino/page/3/ is loaded with facts. We randomly get hundreds of hits for "You Can't Get There from Here," http://www.hogdb.com/2010/02/07/you-cant-get-there-from-here/ , which established that Bobby Petrino and John L. Smith's 2 & 3 star recruits went to the NFL in greater numbers from 2005 through 2009 than did Urban Meyer's 4 & 5 star recruits over the same period even with Florida winning the 2006 and 2008 BCS Championships.

On the other hand I like writing more reflective pieces like "Certain Moments are Just Right..." http://www.hogdb.com/2010/03/23/certain-moments-are-just-right/ I can honestly say that I wanted Bobby Petrino as our head coach before I really knew who he was.

In terms of style, it's not a style I use frequently, but it's the style that just came out as a reflection of what I was thinking. I don't claim to be non-bias media like the fiction many employ. I'm first an Arkansas Razorbacks Fan. Thanks again.

WizarfofhOgZ 6 pts

Way, way, way over-written. In writing an opinion piece like this, less is often more. The author gets too wrapped up in trying to (apparently) compete with "real" writers and as a result, loses credibility. Beyond that, his valid "points" lose their impact because he comes across as a bitter fan. In summary, he'd have been much better off to stick to a much more straight line presentation of the facts and let them speak for themselves.

By the way, I'm a huge Hog fan active on many of the large fan boards, and I share the disdain for how Dodd and the "unnamed" school that leaked this info handled it. But the piece above is just a post you could find on any fan board - on steroids. Gotta keep it real!

Sharp &amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;Tusk&amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; Williams 5 pts moderator

WizarfofhOgZ I thought about your points as I was writing and deciding on the post's direction. I'll never be accused of under-writing a post. :) If I decided on the less-is-more approach, I felt I would lose the mental and practical processes behind investigating facts (e.g. the analytical questions and short research examples), and I would lose the lose the demonstration of creating a post with a telegraphed agenda based on insinuations as Dodd has done.

GonzoHog 7 pts

Excellent post Sharp "Tusk". Every point you make is valid.

I think it's pretty evident someone is trying to play dirty here, but I wonder about the Texas coaching staff as well.

I saw reports on other boards where Texas coachinf staff members were expected to make a late push at DGB while he was in San Antonio.

If any of those guys noticed this "bump" with CBP, I would expect nothing less from Texas than to report this as well.

This report came out yesterday I believe, the same day Mack Brown made an in-home visit with DGB and his family and the day before CBP & staff were expected to do an in-home as well.....imagine that.

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levered1

Hogtrough dennisdoddcbs Fortunately, anyone with even mild intelligence read between the lines of that "report".

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HogDatabase

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HogDatabase or you could just call him a cum dumpster!!!

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David Harris Jr.
David Harris Jr.

Good read. Dodd can diaf for all u care. I'm sick of his bias bullcrap

Aaron Haney
Aaron Haney

O yea and GO HOGS!!!

Aaron Haney
Aaron Haney

Pretty sad things can get this ugly when your dealing with a young man who is simply a STUDENT ATHLETE. A very good one no doubt but still this is about a football player. I feel that Petrino is about as clean as they come from his track record. He has made decisions that DEFENINTLY hurt the team just because it was the RIGHT thing to do. If we get DGB thats great, if not im still a Hog fan with a WAY better team then Misery (missouri). Im glad were now to a point where we dont feel like we lose because we cant sway a kid to be a HOG. This kinda stuff is pitiful

Jean White
Jean White

So sorry to not write the truth

Terri Bateman Evans-Lawrence
Terri Bateman Evans-Lawrence

My husband an old school sports media guy said this in regards to Dodd's story...some people (writers) don't let FACTS get in the way of a good story.

Gregory Sparrow
Gregory Sparrow

He is a graduate from MethZoo that should explain it all..

Hog Database
Hog Database

I'm sorry Michael Smith, but I've deleted your comment. You are not banned. If you have a link from a reputable source which says what you suggested, then you may re-post it. Until then, let's head in another direction. -- Sharp

Vernon Wayne Mitchell
Vernon Wayne Mitchell

We will be fine with or without the kid ....the best Hogs have always been the ones who dream if wearing the cardinal and white Brandon Burlsworth was a fine example of that passion for our team WPS

Julie Moyer Lancaster
Julie Moyer Lancaster

The thing is, this article would definitely tick off anyone on the inside of DGB's life. Coach Beckham would be livid if he read this article. So thanks to Dodd for producing it. Hopefully it sways the family even closer to Arkansas.

Mike Adams
Mike Adams

Great article.

Bryant Hussung
Bryant Hussung

Sounds like however posts for Hog database is better at his job than the loser that wants to make something out of nothing. DGB is gonna be a hog. Get over it. Even if he doesn't we are going to be GREAT next year. WPS!

Billy Majors
Billy Majors

no thanks Jordan he seems diseased and or pathetic loser like

Adam Brasher
Adam Brasher

Makes you wonder huh, guess its good that missouri is scared of arkansas and they havent even opened SEC play yet

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