My Case for Fayetteville, in Fewer Words

Expansion Plans for Campus Facilities

For many years, the “Great Stadium Debate” has continued on with many twists and turns. This season provides the latest twist as Jeff Long moves the LSU game to Fayetteville for the first time in 20 years (read: almost my entire LIFETIME). Recently, Arkansas Expats has decided to create an argument for Little Rock. This article was made to create strong counterpoints to every single logical argument in Arkansas Expats’ article.

Why shouldn’t the flagship campus of the state continue its most famous and popular outreach endeavor in the form of games in Little Rock?

Once again, the age old argument of LR being in the center of the state comes into play. Expats argues that UA has many offshoots of its main campus and playing around other UA campuses benefits those who can’t afford to travel or educate themselves at the main campus.

The only problem is that every other major college has offshoots of its main campus throughout their own states. However, NONE of these schools play in other locations throughout the state. Arkansas is the only DI school in the nation to play in multiple “home” stadiums. Even Alabama has stopped their “tradition” of playing in Birmingham. Since then, they have gone on to win multiple National Championships.

Expats also seems to think that Revenue is the sole focus of this argument which is entirely untrue. Arkansas Nation has expanded quite well over the last decade. Many current season ticket holders come from out of state (and not necessarily from Dallas either). These ticket holders are willing to provide an inordinate amount of gas money as well as hotel reservations to accommodate themselves unlike LR fans who maintain this argument (not all). This drives directly into Expats next argument which is the age old transportation argument.

Another argument in favor of moving all the games to Fayetteville is the transportation argument: that it is now easier to get to Fayetteville these days with the relatively new interstate, and fans across the state are just being cheap by not paying the extra amount to get to Fayetteville

My first obvious question is this: why do you expect NWA-area fans to make the same travel to LR? You can’t have this one way, it goes both ways. With gas about to hit “$5 a gallon”, do you expect NWA fans to NOT make same objectional reasoning to not go to LR? Once again, not all stadium-goers come from just Fayetteville or LR areas. A majority of them come from out of state.

Expats then goes on to make the claim about only the wealthiest going to games…..which I don’t understand. Provide these details as to where I am wealthy, I’ll gladly take any money it brings along with it. This brings me to my final argument of this topic……

“Greater ease of accessibility works for hospitals, state government, and museums at the center of the state, so why shouldn’t it work for the Hogs, which many Arkansans would rank ahead of hospitals, state government, and museums anyway, haha.”

Congratulations, you are the state capitol, you have a hospital that the nation respects, and have an old museum recently renovated. What happened to Alltel or FedEx for that matter? Need I remind you of those businesses named Wal-Mart, JB Hunt, or Tyson? What about Crystal Bridges or our City-connecting hiking trail running entirely throughout NWA? Listen, if you want to stoop that low to make a “joke” then I’ll play right into your game.

After getting offensive and bragging about what LR does indeed have, Expats goes onwards….

What about recruitment?

Ah, the recruitment angle. LR area recruits like LR area games. Guess what? We still have two games in LR, give up. Besides, have you seen the locations where the majority of our recruits come from nowadays? Its not Arkansas.

What about staying competitive?

Expats brings up the fact that “Broyles, Holtz, Hatfield, Nutt, and now Petrino have had a lot of success while playing games in both Fayetteville and Little Rock”. Well DUH. We’ve played in both areas for a lifetime’s existence.

Conclusion

Listen, I understand the emotion that is attached to that old rickety stadium in LR. However, with 20,000+ student population a year graduating every year about 70% or so, that is another 14,000 fans EVERY YEAR graduating from Fayetteville. Many fans are indeed coming from out of state in order to attend games.

All signs point to one location for home games in the immediate future. You may call it a war on our tradition or whatever. We were originally called the Cardinals, we used to play games in Fort Smith, we change the style of our helmets, etc. Tradition changes. Keep up or be left out.

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Arkansas born and bred. I am an Arkansas Alum that received an undergraduate degree for Information Systems. I am currently in Graduate School seeking my Master in Information Systems. You can find me on twitter @hogtrough

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A true fan 5 pts

Using Alabama as a example of why all home games on campus is crazy, Tuscaloosa is a lot closer to the center of the state than Fayetteville.  Give yourself an F in geography. Arkansas wants to hold itself up as "The University of Arkansas," and not play other schools in state.  You use Alabama as your example for wanting all games on campus, why not use them as an example as to why you should play other schools in-state.  Alabama plays Auburn and both of those schools have won national championships????? If Arkansas wants to be "the" university for the state, they need  make it easier for fans in South and Eastern Arkansas to attend some games.  The real fight  here is really about money.  Northwest Arkansas wants all the motel and eating out dollars.  Can you blame LR for wanting a share?  Jeff Long is not fool.  He knows where the donations come from and if he alienates central and south Arkansas on the location of a couple of football game, the U of A will be the poorer.

Hogtrough 12 pts moderator

@A true fan Give yourself an F in Logic. You immediately jumped from Birmingham to something about playing in-state rivals? This is an argument about the location of games. We ARE making it easier for our fans who truly want to make it and CAN make it regardless of the excuse at hand. How has this become about money? It's always been about money for those in LR area who threatened to remove their "donation money" from the University as a direct result of fewer games right down the road. It's time to advance. Surround your local teams with support if you want a local team. UA is located in Fayetteville. Period. End of Story.

BJR 5 pts

 A true fan Alabama plays Auburn because they are in the same conference and on the same level. A better comparison would be 'Bama playing UAB (aka a crap squad with almost no fan base in a tiny conference, like Arkansas State) which they never do. Why do 'Bama and UAB no play? Because neither has anything to gain.

 

I'm not Jeff Long's financial adviser, but I don't believe he owns any restaurants or hotels in Fayetteville. His job is give UA the best athletics program possible, and that involves making as much money for UA as possible via athletics. If selling more expensive tickets to more fans in a larger stadium makes that possible, he's going to do it. So would I. Of course it's about money, Arkansas only profits on football and baseball (barely), so he has to use the entire pot of football profits to pay for every athletics team UA sponsors. We really are hurting ourselves by not maximizing our only real revenue source for athletics.

 

Yes, this is a gamble that they will lose fans, but if you stop supporting (read: donating) to UA because of an extra few hour drive, you probably weren't donating that much anyway.

A true fan 5 pts

 BJR What I donate is not the subject, it is the collective donations that will be lost if the games are moved. The U of A lost one of their biggest LR contributors when the third game was moved. LSU is not in the same conference with any of the smaller La teams they play so your comments about Ala and Auburn are pointless, as are you.

BJR 5 pts

 A true fan If UA is losing so much in donations as you contend, why are they planning to spend all those millions over the coming years? Retake Econ101 and get back to me. You say they lost their biggest booster a few years ago, and guess what, UA is totally fine. They are in a great position because of the "true fans" who support UA no matter what, don't pull their support, and know what's best for their alma mater.

Hogtrough 12 pts moderator

@BJR @A true fan Move on then. If the location affects your fan hood then you shouldn't be here in the first place

BruceRhoads 6 pts

Hi, I might be consider an outsider to most on this...I lived In Arkansas from 2001-2006, and went to a lot of Hog Games,due to my Brother belonged to the Arkansas Truckers assoc...It took me a long time to get it, about this collage

thing where the whole State gets behing their team? I came here from Southern California..Here is my point..On game day Saturdays,when USC or UCLA  would have a home game you would get 80,000+ fans show up to the game (mostly collage fans) but! you travel 5 miles past the L A Colisum, you wouldn't even know there is a game going on,except for all the crappy traffic..You come to Little Rock,and on Thursday before a home game, the whole City/State 

are all decked out in Razorbacks Stuff...I still didn't get it..Now, I've been to many tailgate games when the Raiders were in L.A...and I would travel to San Deigo to watch the Raiders, and tailgate...Here is when the Light bulb to turn on......I moved back to So Calif in 2006,but kept an eye on the hogs...I came out to visit my @Brother Bryan and Sister in Law @Chris,and my two nephews Aiden and Tripp.. Thanksgiving weekend in either  2008/2009...They Picked me up at the Airport, and took me to the R.V where we would Tailgate..When I put my suitcase in the RV..I walked around the Rv and seen soo many HOG Fans!! I could pick up on the electricty, and this was on a Wedensday night!!(The Game was on Friday) Fast fwd to Game day against the hated LSU Tigers..To see the golf couses packed with all these great fans was beyond awesome...How the whole State of ARKANSAS Loves their Hogs..You see people BBQING, playing football,smiling,laughing,and having a great time..I would see little babies,all the wayto senior citizens..All rooting for the same team..

I sold my Sis in Law Chris, that I've been on a 3 day high being around all this...It's about togetherness,friends, family,meeting new friends....About the town of Little Rock and all the sourrounding some towns, all come to see or tailgate..TO CALL The HOGS!!!..That weekend I became a Big Hog fan..( this was the game casey dick threw the last second pass in the endzone to win it)..It was cold that day and I sat next to the fire pit throught the whole game ,not moving a muscle, watching it on TV..I fell in love for the Hogs!! That would of Not happened if we didn't tailgate that Thanksgiving weekend at War Memeorial(sp) Stadium...To me, it's about, if you can't get INTO the game, then you can just get your bbq,your ice chest, grab the family and make a great day Calling The Hogs!! THAT'S WHY YOU KEEP ARKANSAS VS LSU ...

 In LITTLE ROCK,  every other year...It's about the togetherness, It's about watching the Hogs win!! I didn't have that in SO Calif with USC/UCLA..Everybody could careless, except the few fans,,Not the Whole State, like in Arkansas!

I know Calif in huge in population..But it doesn't compare in love and loyality we have for the Razorbacks...

 If I were to move back to Arkansas, I want to be able to tailgate at the home gamein Little Rock..Some people are on a limited income,and can't drive very far, But just want to be their..To show support..That's what it's all about!

  Somethimes you have to take a step back and see the whole picture..I thing the fans come first, then the all mighty dollar...Without the loyal "small guy fan" the team would'nt be the same.. Trust me I know....

     Sorry so long..I just want The Hogs to keep having some home games in L.R.

              GO HOGS...WPS.....BRUCE, A HOG FAN IN SOUTHERN CALIF..

Limb Bream 5 pts

Arkansas has never played all its games in LR, Hog Trough. Look at the records at www.arkansasrazorbacks.com. How much time have you spent in eastern and southern Arkansas? Those are economically-depressed regions populated with many Hog fans. If every game was on campus, how many of those fans could afford the trip and the indefensible two-night minimum stay required by NWA hotels? Do you know? Based on what? Your argument basically is saying to hell w/anyone who can't afford to travel to Fayetteville, pay for tickets and expenses to attend games. You also failed to mention that Arkansas is one of just a few states with only one major university [Nebraska is the obvious other one] based on statewide support. How would moving all games on campus maintain that given the economic hardships of parts of the state? Have you ever looked at the official differences in per capita income between NWA counties and those in eastern and southern AR? Your opinion is financially despicable based on that alone, much less the unique tradition of UA playing in LR each year. And oh, BTW, Long said movement of this year's game is not permanent but was based on the season schedule this year. Funny you left that fact out of your post.

Hogtrough 12 pts moderator

 Limb Bream Based on the season schedule? As in the fact we have a home game against LSU? Official differences in per capita income have very little roles. Have you been to the areas surrounding Fayetteville or even seen per capita income? It is very comparable to NEA and South Arkansas, both of which are mainly farm lands with low population. Alabama has more "economic hardships" than Arkansas but do they continue to play in Birmingham? I don't think so. Your opinion that playing in LR is a "unique tradition of UA" that NOONE outside of Arkansas understands is philospohically and psychologically  despicable.

BJR 5 pts

 Limb Bream Southeast Arkansas is poor so UA has to move its games to a smaller stadium in the middle of the state for them? Sorry, but that isn't going to impact a single person's point of view in the UA administration. These are the same people cranking up tuition every year and its simple supply and demand. More people want to go to UA, tuition goes up. More people want to watch the Hogs now that we are competitive within the conference, the poor people get squeezed out for richer NWA residents. That's pretty much what the American free market is: if people want it, they have to pay for it.Honestly, we have enough fans to fill DWRRS every game as it is now (especially confirmed by the planned expansion) and there are already people who are traveling up here to see it, and paying their dues in travel costs. If these poor Arkansas Delta people can't afford a trip across the state, they aren't giving a whole lot of their meager paychecks to UA athletics anyway, which means they have no voice in UA athletics. Sorry, it may not be fair or sound cheery, but to suggest that UA will handicap itself facilities-wise because of "tradition", "SE Arkansas economics", "statewide support", "keeping fans from A-State", "tailgaiting", or anything else is ridiculous. We finally have an AD who cares about the University of Arkansas first and foremost, and I support him.

Root66 5 pts

Quote from Hogtrough article:

 

"You may call it a war on our tradition or whatever. We were originally called the Cardinals, we used to play all games in LR, we change the style of our helmets, etc. Tradition changes. Keep up or be left out."

 

Where did you hear or read that the Cardinals/Razorbacks "used to play all games in LR"? Good golly Hogtrough. Would you use hogdb.com (this very website) to verify some of the idiotic things you type...before hitting that post button? The Hogs NEVER EVER played all games in LR. Never.

Hogtrough 12 pts moderator

 Root66 Hey Root, are you still trolling me? Amazing how the troll is the first one to point on the one weakness in my article. 

 

P.S. I put that in there for a reason. Way to take the bite.....troll. Anyone with a mind knows that we've always played in Fayetteville, now about you? Not too sure.....Now go away unless you actually have something to talk about instead of being the fact police, mmk?

Root66 5 pts

 Hogtrough 

 

Trolling you? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA choke, spit. 

 

Holy crap, junior.  You make a mistake like that and try to wiggle out of looking like the moron you obviously are by claiming to bait a troller? Geeesus. I take that back Pigslop. You don't quite measure up to the moronic level. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

 

USE YOUR HANDY DANDY REFERENCES . And please don't claim that you actually have a degree in anything from the University of Arkansas. That is just too embarrassing to the state university.

Hogtrough 12 pts moderator

@Root66 is that really what you think? Good luck with that assumption. Why don't you actually try to crack the overall Issue? Too much for you?

Root66 5 pts

 Hogtrough  Root66 

 

The overall issue with my posts is the fact that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Try cracking on that. The first thing you do as a pundit is to make sure you know whatever you put down on a piece of paper or an internet forum, blog, magazine or wherever is factually correct. YOU FAIL BADLY. And then try to explain your way out of your lack of knowledge with some lame troll comment.

HogDatabase 9 pts moderator

 Root66 I missed that when I read his otherwise very good article. I'm not sure if it was a mistake, a joke, troll bait or other... it is wrong so it's been changed.

 

I hate for a small mistake to take away from an important topic.

Root66 5 pts

 HogDatabase 

 

You may consider that erroneous bit of the column SMALL. I don't. It was not a SMALL thing. It was an INCORRECT claim made by a would-be author concerning your own description of "an Important topic". As such it should have never made it to print. You may want to consider an of edit these articles before they are allowed to be blogged...otherwise you are inviting comments such as mine and a defense of "baiting a troll".  Huh uh, that ain't the way it works. Especially when another blog is mentioned as the reason for the rebuttal.

 

Good grief.

Razorblade 5 pts

I live near Searcy and I think the game should be in Fayetteville. If for no other reason recruiting. Being able to host recruits that weekend is big. I would also like to see UCA or ASU succeed on the football field. This would give people in the central and northeastarn parts of the states pride in their local universities. I think we have out grown the midset of only one in-state school to support.

BJR 5 pts

Thank the lord that someone is out online making the case for Fayetteville. Every other major college program laughs at us for Little Rock and rightfully so. I have yet to meet one person under the age of 60 in favor of War Memorial Stadium that isn't from central Arkansas. We are a national program now, transportation is much better, and if you don't have the money to drive to Fayetteville you probably won't be able to afford tickets in the coming years. Walmart proved just how wrong geographic determinism was when they founded the #1 Fortune 500 company in Bentonville, Arkansas, instead of Chicago or New York. Why is the U of A still acting like it is valid?

The notion that Arkansas State is going to gain fans/money from this? Please. I thought we were turning off the people who are too poor to drive to Fayetteville, so how are these "poor delta folk" suddenly going to start giving gobs of money to A-State?

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Chris McWilliams
Chris McWilliams

for those opposed to moving all games on campus, do you want to see the program continue to grow? The program losses millions each game it plays in LR. Additionally, official visits by recruits are not allowed off campus but then, why would a recruit want to visit just to see a game in person? Offical visits SELL the program and the school to recruits. It is funny to me how those that claim they love the Hogs so much, are willing to keep the program handicap for their own personal convenience.

Chris McWilliams
Chris McWilliams

@Nicoles Hill.....yes, War Memorial was constructed as a tribute to those Arkansans that served and paid the ultimate price but the people that run and take care of the stadium have let it become an eyesore.....

Nickoles Hill
Nickoles Hill

War Memorial Stadium is a living tribute to all Arkansans who have paid the ultimate price in the line of duty for their country. that is strait off War Memorial Stadium's website so have some RESPECT. Today is the 67th anniversary of the five Marines and one Navy Corpsman raising the American Flag over Iwo Jima.

Michael Smith
Michael Smith

leave the writing to the pros.

Grant Kidd
Grant Kidd

One thing at a time. The LSU game has been moved to RRS this year due to the way the schedule fell. If not, Senior Night would have been the first Sat. of Nov. The debate over "all" games in WMS can wait a few more years. Contract through 2016.

Clay King
Clay King

I watch all of the games on tv so I don't really care... I live in Hillcrest and still don't go to the games in Little Rock... ticket prices are too high...

Calvin Lo-Cal Tidwell
Calvin Lo-Cal Tidwell

I've lived in Dallas and now recently I've moved to South Arkansas and I have always been for playing all home games in Fayetteville. It makes more economic sense for the university and it's great for on campus student morale. I love this state, but it's "afraid of change" attitude has got to go! If not playing anymore Razorback games in LR is going to divide the state, then it wasn't very unified in the first place. War Memorial is "outdated" and too small of a stadium. I feel this is more about LR's claim to be the best in the state. NEWSFLASH: being the biggest doesn't make you the best! The Dallas Cowboys play their homegames in ARLINGTON, and before that IRVING. The city of Dallas hasn't been divided one bit. Just sayin'!

Sherry Baker Ford
Sherry Baker Ford

Love this! I am one of those fans that go to the games from out of state and LR is a closer drive than Fayetteville, but I am in favor of all games being in Fayetteville. Also, we are a middle class couple in our mid 50s that attend all the games, home and away. It is what we choose to do as our hobby instead of fishing, hunting etc. A very wise woman (my Mother) once said, "you do what you want to do!" I wonder how many of the people crying foul over the idea of moving all games to the campus are in the group that tailgate on the golf course, but don't go to the game.

Josh Glaze
Josh Glaze

Im from central Arkansas I understand y there moving the LSU game but I love both places each stadium is unique in its own way I hope we keep some little rock games all that matters is them hogs getting a W I dont care where there getting it at

Nancy Zotz
Nancy Zotz

LOL. . no one is saying that people in NWA are "very important". It's simple the University is in Fayetteville and one of the most important games of the year should be played at the University where the players and students are. It's an awesome stadium. LR will still have two games. . for how long we don't know. The University can't please every fan, we live all over that US. I have lived in Texarkana and now LR area and I will go to all home games no matter where they are played. This move is not to split the state it's to help our team WIN!!!

Jennifer McClory
Jennifer McClory

Just for the record, I'm a Southwest Arkansas (Texarkana) gal. Just sayin'.

Jennifer Cathey Taylor
Jennifer Cathey Taylor

I think what get's people so mad is the fact that you are so dismissive of the other people in the state. You are basically saying that it is "very important" for the people of NWA to be able to attend EVERY game while you could care less if people in the rest of the state are able to attend two, one a non-conference game at that! That sounds pretty selfish if you ask me. Besides, most of you don't have a problem at all with a game being played in Dallas! That is way more inconvenient for NWA fans don't you think. Or maybe you don't have a problem with it because Dallas is a much more FUN trip than Little Rock. And as far as it being an inconvenience to the team, spirit squad, etc., you may just want to keep in mind that it's the donation dollars of the fans statewide that keep that program going at such a high level and keep them in such nice "HOME" facilities!

Jennifer McClory
Jennifer McClory

I'm not sure why a D1 football program should have to adopt a "Oh, you can't drive to our stadium to watch a game? Don't worry, we'll bring the game closer to you!" stance. No other programs have to do that in order to keep their fans happy.

Hog Database
Hog Database

What about out of state fans that are "true fans"? Hog NATION is growing..... Every year we graduate 14000 or so students. A lot of stadium-going fans come from out of state.

-Hogtrough

Jp Kirkendoll
Jp Kirkendoll

And as far as the "TRUE FANS" traveling to games regardless of where they are played. Does it make me less of a fan because I dont have the finances to pack up every friday and travel 6 hrs across the state to support the HOGS?

Jennifer McClory
Jennifer McClory

I was a member of the RMB for years and let me tell you, those Little Rock games are just another away game for all the people actually involved in the game - players, spirit squads, band, etc. I remember many a Saturday morning that we had to be on the bus at 4am to get to LR in time to warm up and march in, then truck it back to Fayetteville because the cost to put us all up in a hotel the night before was too much.

Jp Kirkendoll
Jp Kirkendoll

twice a year hog trough the NWA'rs would have to travel. You get 4 or 5 in your backyard. Twice a season wont hurt you. Althoug twice a year is the only chance that some get a chance to see a game. Those FANS in east Ark.

Jennifer Cathey Taylor
Jennifer Cathey Taylor

Hog Database. People in NWA would not have to miss work or stay at a hotel. That is my point. It's not a big deal for NWA or Central Arkansans to travel to Little Rock or Fayetteville, but it is a big deal for people is the southern part of the state to travel to Fayetteville. And I don't know where you are going with the (somehow) comment. If the game is at 11:30 am, like a lot of them are, people would have to travel on FRIDAY to get to the games, not THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEKEND like you suggest....

Hog Database
Hog Database

So do you expect NWA fans and out of state fans to come to LR to stay in overnight hotels and (somehow) miss a day of work on the middle of the weekend? It goes both ways.

-Hogtrough

Jennifer Cathey Taylor
Jennifer Cathey Taylor

I am so sick of this argument. No matter what they decide to do, it makes me mad that people in NWA use the argument "With the new interstate, it's not that hard to get to Fayetteville now", and that "TRUE Fans" will attend the games no matter what. And for people like myself that live in Central Arkansas, it's not that far of a drive, and can easily be done in one day. However, for people in Southern Arkansas it IS a problem! Not only are you talking about a 5+ hour, one way drive, but for earlier games, you are most likely talking about missing a doay of work, as well as an overnight hotel stay. And I know that there are many who do it each season, but honestly the expense would be overwhelming for a middle class family to take on more than once or twice a year. So, yes it may be an inconvenience to those of you who have the privileged to attend multiple games each season, but to the thousands of Razorback Fans in Southern Arkansas, it means everything! It is why this team is special. The RAZORBACKS BELONG TO THE WHOLE STATE! Not just one little corner of it!

Patrick Chocobo-Knight Landfair
Patrick Chocobo-Knight Landfair

Bottom line: there is a big cultural divide between NWA and the rest of the state, and it's only getting bigger. Midwest vs. South. You see it in pretty much any state in one way or another. The thing that has kept Arkansas unified over the last century is playing in Little Rock. The NWA crowd has grown more and more vocal over the years, and the divide continues to grow. Take the LR games away and there will be a huge ripple effect in 20 years time.

The Gardens at the University of Arkansas
The Gardens at the University of Arkansas

Be prepared for the "lack of tailgating" response from those who obviously haven't done enough research to discover there's plenty of green space in The Gardens for tents.

Michael Smith
Michael Smith

whatever

Michael Smith
Michael Smith

stir the pot,,

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